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It confuses me greatly that the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" doesn't include the X-Men films. I mean, it doesn't confuse me because I understand that there are weird IP issues, but it confuses me in a sort of broader, fannish, existential way. The current X-men movieverse, such as it is, is a cinematic universe and it is Marvel, and the characters are connected, but even fans are pretty obedient about separating the two.

I understand, in theory, that it's probably very satisfying to write something that's totally canon-compliant, something that could have happened and that logically should belong there. I've just never been able to do it.

I actually haven't yet watched Days of Future Past, so maybe that'll be how I punish myself tonight.

Well...

Date: 2015-07-20 04:51 am (UTC)
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>>It confuses me greatly that the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" doesn't include the X-Men films. I mean, it doesn't confuse me because I understand that there are weird IP issues, but it confuses me in a sort of broader, fannish, existential way.<<

This is caused by at least two major problems:

1) Marvel, DC, etc. are writing literary cycles without understanding what those are, and unsurprisingly this means they do not handle it well and are trying to make everything connect in ways that the parts of a cycle aren't really meant to do.

2) Conversely, copyright tends to chop up cultural material in ways that undermine its entertainment value. Things that should connect are forcibly separated, thus frustrating viewers.

Happily some fanfic writers do know what a cycle is, aren't charging for their fanfic so fair use applies, and also know how to handle plot and characterization better than what passes for writing in Hollywood these days. :D

Re: Well...

Date: 2015-07-20 05:39 am (UTC)
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>> Yeah, you're right, I'd been thinking of it from the copyright angle and from a worldbuilding standpoint. X-Men (as a concept) has always been worse when it brings in aliens and magic, because its strongest stuff was always about human oppression and majority/minority conflicts. <<

I agree, my favorite aspect of the X-men has always been discrimination. I've enjoyed the comics and movies, but honestly I think my favorite iterations are a couple of the cartoons, especially X-Men Evolutions. Those really have a tight focus on identity, expression, and oppression.

>> I can think of a few stories in the comics where aliens didn't bug me (Joss made them fun, to me, in his Astonishing X-Men run), but mostly it feels like too much. <<

Plus we have the "all magic is really science" baloney that does justice to neither magic nor science.

>> Minisinoo's fic removed the alien stuff from the Phoenix Saga and it worked beautifully, but you couldn't do the same with the plot of The Avengers. So certain Marvel concepts need to have slightly different worldbuilding rules. <<

True.

>> But seeing them as cycles like the Ulster Cycle really brings it all into focus. That's a really useful lens for analysis.<<

Yay! I'm glad I could help.

You might get a kick out of The Ursulan Cycle, my genderbent Arthurian Cycle, which is an open-source fandom since it's based on ancient material. Everyone is welcome to play.

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