X3

[tocryabout]

This gave me indigestion of the imagination. Sure, I enjoyed it as it was going down, but an hour or two later I feel bloated, unsatisfied, and vaguely ill.

To give an overprocessed popcorn flick its due: shit does blow up in some pretty bitchin' ways. But X-Men is not just about blowing shit up, as fucking awesome and unnecessary as the Golden Gate Bridge thing was.

- I don't care if Cyclops isn't bankable, or if Marsden was miscast (as some people say--I don't agree), or if he was so poorly written that we're better off without him. He deserves better than this. Scott is a character who needs time to unravel, and he was never given that kind of time onscreen. He should not disappear without a trace. Jean should not be making out with Wolverine while her husband isn't even cold in his grave fully dispersed in the atmosphere whatever. I'm not even sure that Phoenix should be, if she's just Jean's unconscious.

- Speaking of, I guess it's good that they cut out the cosmic entity and stuff, but the split personality is almost as lame, just because it comes so close to being a good explanation. Minisinoo's Grail is still my ideal: Phoenix is the effect of unimaginable power on Jean's own personality (and conscience). Simple, intuitive, yet rich with meaning.

- I agree with shareul that makeup/effects missed a golden opportunity to use a kickass flame effect when they decided to go with "Phoenix gets kind of ugly and weird when she uses her powers." The Phoenix is impressive and terrifying, but she doesn't inspire awe--there's no terrible beauty, like a force of nature. Instead she seems spoiled and mouldy. The processes of rotting and decomposition are natural too, yes, and reminiscent of death and rebirth, but they've never been associated with the Phoenix, either in the comics or mythology. Way to rip off Dark Willow, guys.

- I disagree with those who say Storm's hair is better.

- Magneto (a) cares more about Mystique than that, and (b) would be smart enough not to leave her alive to give away information.

- Hank is a diplomat? Uh, okay. Not a bad choice, actually, even if it does joss all the rest of canon. (Oh, and didn't they already show Hank in the first movie as a scientist?)

- Would it have killed them to tell us the names of Magneto's new henchmen? I didn't realise that the superspeed girl was supposed to be Callisto until I was watching the credits.

- Even if he's (almost) de-mutified, isn't Magneto still guilty of like 2458048 murders? How come he's relaxing in a public park at the end of the movie?

- How did that President get elected? He's like Joe Lieberman without the charisma.

- I really would have liked to see some Sentinels tromp across to Alcatraz to muck up the fight even more. What's the deal, they've been around long enough for the Danger Room to mock them up, but the President doesn't feel like calling them out when the GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE gets ripped up by a dangerous terrorist?

- Xavier did get a spectacular, eerie death scene. I even buy that it was dramatically necessary. But why didn't Phoenix also kill Magneto and/or Wolverine? She apparently goes with Erik "of her own free will" but never seems particularly interested in the cause, and she spends the entire big fight just standing there rather than helping.

- Juggernaut has an English accent, which is pretty rad, but he's apparently not Xavier's half-brother (Xavier didn't know who he was). This isn't bad, exactly, but it is a little bit zuh?

- Kitty, Piotr, Bobby, and John were all kickass. And there were fastball specials! How my comics beard trembled at that. Rogue was annoying and dull, but she always is (I think).

- I agree with Eve Tushnet regarding the thematic content:

"Let me get this out of the way right quick: A bunch of critics have suggested that the "cure for mutation" is a metaphor for "ex-gay" ministries. And I seriously disagree. Yes--the "cure" plot has very strong cultural markers for "ex-gay" ideology (man, I cringed at that first scene with Angel, I tell you what). But really, "mutation" as such doesn't work very well as a metaphor for anything. Particular, specific mutations can serve beautifully as metaphors for particular situations; but what, symbolically, do Scott Summers, Rogue/Marie, Charles Xavier, Jamie Madrox (yay!!!), Storm, and John/Pyro actually have in common? If you say "difference," then you're just avoiding all the interesting questions about what difference "difference" should make."

Seconding the yay for Jamie Madrox, too. If they'd put Cypher in too I would have asploded.

- You know, one resurrection is okay. It's Phoenix. It makes sense. But we all know she isn't and can't be dead forever, so it's going to be two resurrections. And if you stayed past the end credits, you know that they've got a Mastermind type deal with Charles and the mutant in Moira's lab--that's three resurrections. And Cyclops has risen once or twice himself. I realise they probably won't do any more movies (for a while), but nevertheless they've painted themselves into a corner. There's a reason why Marvel now has to kill busloads of schoolchildren in order to get a reaction from fans, and the movies should not be heading down that road.

- I've been writing OMG NONVIOLENT MUTANTS for so long that the body count really made me cringe. In particular, Storm's treatment of Callisto was way harsher than the comics. It's easy to see how overwhelmed the voices of peace must feel, but I wish they had had time to show that.

- I really did love Beast. I loved him like ice cream.

- Yes, I will be writing Kevin Ford standing in line at the public health clinic for the cure. TRY AND STOP ME.

Comments

[shini02.livejournal.com]

Yay for Kevin! XD

[tigersong.livejournal.com]

Huh. You just said exactly what I was thinking through most of the movie.

"Magneto (a) cares more about Mystique than that, and (b) would be smart enough not to leave her alive to give away information."

Yeah, I really groaned when he abandonned her like that. I was like wtf? That's not Magneto.

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One of my friends squeeled very loudly "YES!" when the first fastball special happened. I agreed.

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And just to bitch about it once more: Jean Grey had the WORST dye job ever. It was the first thing I noticed about her. And that's pretty sad.

[ion-bond.livejournal.com]

Way to rip off Dark Willow, guys.

So I'm not the only one thinking that. Remember the cool Phoenix special effects in X2 when she was exploding the missles? I miss that.

metaphor for "ex-gay"

revelininsanity says this one's a metaphor for autism/ kinds of chemical imbalance for which there are now "cures."

Re: icon love

[ion-bond.livejournal.com]

I got it from bohochic and I believe it's an actual picture of them at Cannes this month.

*clings to Magneto/Mystique*

Re: icon love

[ion-bond.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Meanwhile, though, read this:

http://c-elisa.livejournal.com/35090.html?style=mine#cutid1

[waterstrider.livejournal.com]

They didn't quite say that Jean was completely programmed, but one could definitely read it that way.

Ohhhh Nightcrawler. *sob*

And yeah, I've read the comics (a respectable amount of them, anyway), and NO IT WAS NOT AN EFFECTIVE DISTILLING OR REIMAGINING. POOOOOOO.

I actually wish Emma was in it. That's sort of sad, because I'm not an Emma fan, but the creepy icky Jean!Emma!Phoenix thing that Whedon and Endsong have been doing was better than this.

[waterstrider.livejournal.com]

Catholic Workers boo-yeah (http://www.cjd.org/paper/dorothy.html). You might also look for Dorothy Day's books The Long Loneliness (awesome) and (second choice) Loaves and Fishes.

more that it's sort of more like spiritual seeking, both stories (novels, really), trying to be whole, in both spirit and the world?

The spiritual element flowed naturally out of the psychological element, so yeah. THL is more specifically Catholic sci-fi, since it looks at how a particular type of Catholic might respond to mutation. But I think anyone can respond to a story about looking for God. It's a pretty universal human thing.

Regarding wholeness, there's a wonderful line from the Exsultet (http://www.op.org/Domcentral/life/exsultet.htm) which goes "Night truly blessed, when heaven is wedded to earth, and we are reconciled with God." When we are whole (as God is whole) that unity happens. The psychological and emotional experience of wholeness is intimately connected with faith and the spiritual, I think (faith probably comes first, but I think we can have faith without properly realising it, like the Good Centurion).

I will definitely be using at least one of those bunnies, or at least playing with the Cure idea, as it's one of my favourite X-Men themes. And as IF I could resist a Beatitudes-inspired cure-seeker.

I wonder if Joel would take the cure, if he had a choice or not? There are times his power seems v beautiful and brilliant, and then other times when his mean creator he gets the bees-effect during MASS. Poor guy.

I was holding back from masturbating musing on that, but SINCE YOU ASKED... I think Joel's getting to the point now where he does appreciate his power. His experience in "Stendhal Syndrome" has convinced him that his power isn't meaningless. The division between his power and the epilepsy isn't entirely clear, but if both his power and the seizures were under control, he'd be a much happier person.

Besides that, his power is still a coping mechanism, and he also feels a responsibility to mutants, and knows that being "one of them" and also being able to pass gives him an advantage in helping them.

Paul would probably take the cure, although he might let Joel talk him out of it.

[shareul.livejournal.com]

What pissed me off about the new explanation for Jean's powers is that Prof X spends all this time "blah blah I don't mess about in people's heads, I HAVE ETHICS YOU KNOW" and then messes about in Jean's head. I really prefer the PHENOMONAL COSMIC POWERS explanation...but do away with the Shi'ar bird people.

Scott way way way deserved better than that. I kept looking for him to come back. The only good explanation I can think of for that treatment of him is that Jean resurfaced enough that he got away and is now wandering through America with his eyes tightly shut. But like someone said on a friend's LJ, my reaction was pretty much what next, they are going to kill someone important off via pushing them down some REALLY STEEP stairs or some deadly slippery soap on the shower floor?

And the whole Wolvie killing Jean out of love thing was like some twisted remembrance of how the 90s cartoon Phoenix saga ended, where Scott made the bad Phoenix powers go away out with his love for Jean.

And I still don't get that if Phoenix is so powerful she can unmake people, why she couldn't put her side back together after a few puncture wounds.

Why didn't they just Fastball Special Leech at Jean's head? That's what I wanted to know. (The fastball specials made me want to *squee* like a fangirl, too)

My hopes are that when this "cure" wears off (as they kinda made hinty at with Magneto in the park, that he was getting his powers back) if that is going to in some way cause Rogue to get the Ms. Marvel powers (maybe she'll be touching some mutant and the powers will turn back on or something) Rogue's non-Ms-Marvel powers are boring in fight scenes.

It's pretty bad though that I see a disappointing movie like that (and my reaction was pretty much the same as yours; I enjoyed watching it, but the walk home was as much time as it took for me to have mental indigestion) that I am sitting here having fine hopes for any future movies. I've got a sad, sad case of fangirlitis.

Oh Oh Oh, and is there a rule that there can only be one fuzzy blue mutant in a movie at a time? Because I missed Nightcrawler :(

[youngest-one.livejournal.com]

I actually have to wonder what was going on with Magneto and Mystique, because all that information she fed to the government? Let them corner exactly one mutant. It's crossed my mind that they planned that together, and Magneto was going to come for her later, or he knew she would turn on him and planned accordingly.

So with you on Cyclops. Although I did like the removal of his glasses; that scene was very well done. And I can understand why he isn't "getting over" Jean's death, since it's not like she's left him alone in the meantime.

I was prepared to dislike Hank, Bobby and Kitty, given what I'd seen in the various trailers. They were pleasant surprises, however. Hank was clearly more a politician than a scientist, which sort of explains his changed attitude. Bobby struck the right balance between well meaning and clueless, and Kitty's game of cat and mouse (heh) with Juggernaut was a particularly inspired sequence.

All in all, there were some good ideas and performances in there. Too bad they never came together to form a really good movie.

[lux-apollo.livejournal.com]

Another thing... if the limit of what Jean can do is 'what she can imagine' per say, then why the heck didn't she just bring Scott back?

I hate this whole Jean/Logan crap. It's so pathetically ridiculous that she would drop her love for Scott so completely, no matter how psychotic and feral she became by embracing the darkness in her subconscious. The whole Jean/Logan thing is so rushed it feels almost Romeo and Juliet ridiculous. 'Cause seriously, let's think about this: Jean and Logan spent a total of maybe a week in each others' presence if you look at the movie events and try to judge them in a time continuum. Logan leaves the school at the end of X1, and comes back the same day that Jean leaves for somewhere else. They spend a few hours together on the Jet to Alkali Lake, and then suddenly Logan is disturbingly in love with her in X3. I mean, come on!

The Mystique betrayal thing definitely smells rotten (like there was something else going on). I could rant more, but there is already too much said and I could go on for hours. Bleh.